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Were Bear Stearns bankers quite good after all?

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The bottom line is people only worked at Bear Stearns if they weren't good enough quality for the better banks.  Read all comments »

SocGen’s pinched Michel Peretie, Merrill’s pinched Fares D. Noujaim, and at least two Bear bankers (Jeff Mayer and Craig Overlander) are sufficiently confident of their own desirability to turn down Jamie Dimon’s offer of employment. Could it be that Bear Stearns had some pretty good people on its books?

Off the record, one senior JPMorgan banker in Europe says there were a few, but that most of Bear’s talented staff have been targeted by other firms – despite Jamie Dimon’s call for rivals to leave them alone (except of course, those he didn’t want himself).

London headhunters say Bear’s business was good in patches. “They had a few good sector teams in healthcare and TMT,” says one advisory search consultant.

“There were pockets of good people in areas like structured credit, and people like Peretie were very high calibre,” says a fixed income headhunter.

Headhunters say the main thing Bear bankers bring to the table is a sense of entrepreneurialism born of Bear’s maverick culture. “A salesman who was making £10m at Bear Stearns could probably make £20m at JPMorgan,” says one. “These guys are used to making things happen themselves.”

Those qualities also mean Bear types may find the bureaucracy of JPMorgan too stifling for their taste. “You couldn’t get two banks that are more culturally distinct,” says one headhunter. “Given the market, people will stay at JPMorgan for a year and leave once their guaranteed bonuses have been paid out.”

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Adnan, Private Banking / Wealth Management,  Wed 04 Jun 08

Henry, you clearly sign on to the dole and spend your social on Cider in the Park. You  have way too much time on your hands between dog and horse races in the Ladbrokes. Dont comment on stuff that is way way above your intellect.
Bear was a fantastic firm. I worked at Bear having turned down a Job at MS and Deutsche. I feel perhaps you were rejected from a role in the postroom in one of these firms.

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Wed 04 Jun 08

Its certainly worth taking a paycut to work at the likes of Goldman. Money is not the be-all and end-all. You don't get admiration, respect or kudos if you told people you meet at socials / networking events you worked at Bear vs GS. Try getting a string of hot girls as a Bear employee. Your exit ops are better with a prestigious firm on your CV, whereas Bear is a stain on it.

Btw for those saying I'm junior, I got promoted to VP as a trader 4 years after graduating. Its great to have a £1.2m property whilst peers my age are earning a pathetic £30-40k, not getting endless opportunities and a more endless string of hot women. And btw, you'll get nowhere in life without some arrogance, a sheepish humble type goes nowhere in the City.

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Ace, Debt / Fixed Income,  Wed 04 Jun 08

Even as a postmen you had great opportunities at Bear Stearns. You might have earned more bucks at GS, MS, MER or LEH ... BUT it didn't have to stay that way!

People at Bear were very smart and had a deep desire to become rich ... only this counts!

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c, Credit,  Wed 04 Jun 08

Henry - you've probably worked for one firm, have just a few year's of experience at one single desk - you have no idea about the city.  "Money is not the be-all and end-all." then the next paragraph you bang on about how much you earn!!
Please keep replying!!! - your postings are so damn funny - you are the best

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Rob, Debt / Fixed Income,  Wed 04 Jun 08

Dictionary: HENRY = JERK, RETARD!

I am very sorry for you ... you can't get women without stating which company you are working for - you are a pathetic! I guess you are doing every man a big favour as we all can pass on women with a price tag...

Btw: Didn't know that a VP level is already considered senior and four years after graduation ... WOW we are all deeply impressed about your employer’s ability and judgement of promoting jerks!

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some1, FX & Money Markets,  Wed 04 Jun 08

Henry  you have to show your cv to get "hot girls"? sorry I do not understand this, can you explain...........do you normally have your cv on hand when meeting girls, I cannot think a real fx dealer would need to flash a cv to get "hot girls". as a FX dealer, you should be quick enough to have something to say to a "hot girl" other than I work at GS and have a 1.2mio property....don’t you think..........or maybe FX traders have changed or maybe, just maybe, you are not being completely honest with all of us?

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dunbankin, Student,  Wed 04 Jun 08

I am embarassed to have gone to a leading university when t**ts like "string of hot girls" Henry mouth off such snobbery. I am glad though not to have to squeeze into such a tiny property, not to have a huge mortgage on mine, and to have abandoned the city (chiefly to get away from the Henrys of this world) some years ago.

If Henry is so well educated, surely he understands that trading is just a lottery, that Bear Stearns were just unlucky and a "good" trader is just one who has been luckier so far.

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pappy, Global Custody,  Wed 04 Jun 08

If Henry is so successful why is he on efinancialcareers.co.uk  all day? Slow day in corporate actions?

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Henry, FX & Money Markets,  Wed 04 Jun 08

dunbankin, you clearly have no idea about how trading works if you think it is purely a lottery. Explain then how there's plenty of traders with a consistent track record of alpha generation? Do you think they tossed a coin and coincidentally got it right every single time? Intellect and foresight can be a huge player in making the right calls.

And guys, face up to the truth. The quality of women a guy at GS gets will be much superior to one at Bear, you just need to look at ball photos to prove that. Its a natural hierarchy where the most stunning girls go to alpha male bankers, the uglier ones to accountants, teachers and factory workers. Deal with the truth.

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anon, Retail Banking,  Thu 05 Jun 08

Henry - this is the best wind up I've seen in a long time... you should be on stage

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